IronPython 2.0 and Jython 2.5 performance compared to Python 2.5
My previous post covering the performance problems I’ve been experiencing with IronPython raised some questions about whether the low performance was an effect peculiar to my system, or to my program — the OWL BASIC compiler — where the problem was first noticed. To briefly recap, I’d determined that IronPython was around 100× slower that CPython on the same program.
Since then, I’ve had time to reproduce the results with a small and completely unremarkable Python program, and also to run the tests on a different system. I had suspected that in the OWL BASIC compiler, my Python visitor implementation, which is used in applying transformations to the abstract syntax tree, was to blame. I set about condensing a tree visitor down to a small example, but I never got that far. It is sufficient to simply build a large binary tree to demonstrate the dramatic differences in the performance characteristics of the three main Python implementations.
The benchmark
Here is that test program, which just builds a simple binary tree of objects to the requested depth.
class Node(object):
counter = 0
def __init__(self, children):
Node.counter += 1
self._children = children
def make_tree(depth):
if depth > 1:
return Node ([make_tree(depth - 1), make_tree(depth - 1)])
else:
return Node([])
def main(argv=None):
if argv is None:
argv = sys.argv
depth = int(argv[1]) if len(argv) > 1 else 10
root = make_tree(depth)
print Node.counter
return 0
if __name__ == '__main__':
import sys
sys.exit(main())
The program builds a binary tree to the depth supplied as the only command line argument, or ten if one is not supplied. It counts the number of nodes as they a built. Remember that the merits or otherwise of this program are not the point! The point is the performance difference between the Python implementations when it is run.
My benchmarking approach has been to run this script five times for each tree depth from a depth of one, upwards to 22, or until my patience was exhausted. I’ve taken the minimum time from each run of five. Since there is a non-linear relationship between the depth of the tree and the number of nodes contained therein, logarithmic axes are used in all the charts that follow.
64 bit Windows Vista x64
Here are the results for the first test machine – with dual quad-core 1.86 GHz Xeons with 4 GB RAM running Vista x64, testing IronPython 2.0.0.0 on .NET 2.0, Jython 2.5rc2 on Java Hotspot 1.6.0 and Python 2.5.2.

Figure 1. Creation time for a binary tree including Python virtual machine startup on Windows Vista x64 with 1.86 GHz Xeon processors.
In Figure 1 we see that above 1000 nodes or so (tree depth of 10) performance for IronPython begin to degrade rapidly. CPython holds out for another two orders of magnitude before the significant costs begin to be felt . Its interesting to see that although Jython is in the middle of the pack, it scales much better than CPython, surpassing it at around half-a-million nodes (tree depth of 19).
In my application — a compiler — virtual machine (VM) start-up time is important; however, in many long-running applications this is not the case, so it is interesting to subtract VM start-up time from each series, which we see in Figure 2, below.

By subtracting VM start-up time, we get a picture more interesting for long-running processes.
Below 100 tree nodes, there is a lot of noise in these measurements. Above 100 nodes its easy to see that the blue IronPython curve is at least two chart divisions above the red CPython curve — that’s two orders of magnitude or 100× slower, and getting relatively worse as the size of the tree increases.
32 bit Windows XP x86
Responses to my earlier article suggested that trying IronPython 2.0.1 with Ngen’ed binaries on x86 may make a difference. Well, to cut a long story short, it doesn’t, but here are the details. These tests were run on a 900 MHz Pentium M Centrino laptop with 768 MB RAM, and so cannot be directly compared with those above, although its notable that a one year old workstation is only twice as fast as a five year old laptop. Moore’s law certainly isn’t delivering here!

The performance profiles are very simular with IronPython 2.0.1 on x86.
On x86, IronPython is still 100× slower than CPython, and Jython still scales better. It seems the essence of this benchmark is not dependent on which hardware or CLR platform it is run.
I’ll close by re-presenting the data in the x86 benchmarks as multiples of CPython performance, because it dramatically demonstrates the different responses to the scale of the problem size for IronPython and Jython. Again we see Jython catching up with CPython at a tree depth of 19, just we saw on x64. and IronPython delivering 6000× worse than CPython at a tree depth depth of 15. A tree of this size with thirty-thousand nodes is very similar in scale to the AST tree sizes found in the OWL BASIC during compilation of large programs.

Performance of IronPython and Jython as multiples of CPython performance.
Conclusions
- IronPython can be very slow, even on programs in the microbenchmark category, which are doing standard operations such as building trees. Presumably there are still significant optimizations to be made in IronPython to bring its performance closer to that of the other Python implementations. Hopefully, this example and the measurements can contribute to that improvement.
- Jython may scale better than Python if your application exercises Python in similar ways to this benchmark. Speculatively, that could have implications for projects such as SCons, which build large in-memory graphs.
- I suppose if nothing else we have demonstrated in passing that Java can be faster than C for some non-trivial programs (like a Python interpreter) running a trivial program, like this benchmark.

Thank you for this! It’s always fun to stack things up against each other, especially when there are visual aides to satisfy those who would rather not read (like me)!
Good post. However in the last conclusion you are comparing apples to oranges.
hi, nice data. Couple of issues:
* I think this benchmark heavily measure gc performance. It’s good, because
gc performance is essential in a lot of applications, but it’s worth noting.
* Jvm’s gc or .NET’s gc is known to be much better than CPython. IronPython guys
are even claiming their gc is better than jvm’s one, so it’s surprising.
* What about measuring PyPy? From my rough and fast (completely unscientific
measurments it seems that PyPy is faster than CPython starting from about 18-19
upwards.
Cheers,
fijal
I’m a bit off topic here, but can you tell me what tool you used to make these awesome graphs?
Try storing the counter as a global variable instead of a class-level member of Node — I think you’ll notice a dramatic improvement.
I never used IronPython but always have an eye on it. Your plots are very nice, what program did you use to generate them?
IronPython 2.6 was just released. Would you mind rerunning your tests with it?
Bloguero Connor :
IronPython is great – apart from this issue. The plots were made with Apple’s Keynote, from iWork.
@Bloguero Connor
Keynote for the plots.
@Curt Hagenlocher
Sure, but changing the benchmark code is beside the point, which is that there is huge variation between the different Python implementation running the same code.
@Robert Smallshire
It’s not beside the point if the takeaway as reported on Reddit and Twitter is that “IronPython is way slow”. I know that’s not the point you’re making, but that’s how people are reporting it.
Out of curiousity, are you running an x64 CPython on the 64-bit platform? It probably matters.
@Curt Hagenlocher
I’m using 32-bit CPython on Vista x64.
@Vassil
Can you explain why you think I’m comparing apples to oranges in my final conclusion? Its a comparison of two implementations of Python, one written C and the other written in Java; both are doing the same job. Is it only reasonable to compare programs in different languages that are direct, and therefore likely non-idiomatic, transliterations?
If you disable the python garbage collector while making the tree you’ll find the cPython runs a lot quicker. In my experiments with a tree size of 20 it made it 12 times quicker!
Put
import gc
at the start, then modify the code like this
gc.disable()
root = make_tree(depth)
gc.enable()
This is a known problem with the cPython garbage collector when creating lots of objects.
On a Core 2 Duo E6550 (2.33GHz) running 64bit linux, compiled pypy interpreter with the hybrid gc is faster than cpython beginning with 18. At 17, cpython is faster. Times (best of 5 runs) are:
cpython:
17: user 0m0.718s
18: user 0m2.086s
pypy-c:
17: user 0m0.882s
18: user 0m1.757s
@Curt Hagenlocher
I’ve modified the benchmark, as you suggested, to use a global rather than a class attribute, and the improvement is spectacular. I’ve posted a new article with the results.
I also thought that the comparison between C and Java here wasn’t adequate for a conclusion of the capabilities of the languages. It is true that they are doing the same thing however they may be (most likely) are getting there in different ways so all we can say here is that an inneficient algorithm in C would run slower than an efficient algorithm in Java. If you wanted to compare Java and C you would have to use a test program translated as accurately as possible (obviously not syntax but algorithm’s) to determine the fastest.
Its irrelevant anyway as Java (and Python for that matter) is written in C and so any program written in Java is merely a feflection of the execution speed of C bytecode. It would be more accurate to determine if a crap programer could make faster code in Java than C in less time – the raison d’être of all interpreted languages.
Scons does not support jython yet but waf does it.
The benchmark does not look too good against cpython
http://code.google.com/p/waf/issues/detail?id=434&can=1&q=jython#c9
@wolf
If you try with –gcrootfinder=asmgcc, it will be even faster (32bit linux only though, a bit experimental)
@Nick craig-wood
The pure fact that this issue is well known should be enough to fix it (it’s not
even actually that hard). Doing random hacks and taking care by hand if you have
or not circular references does not sound like a solution to me.
cheers,
fijal
Use F# instead of Python. It is much faster and much better suited to compiler writing.
@Jon Harrop
I’ve seriously considered switching to F# for this project. I’ve been using F# on other unrelated projects with a fair amount of success – writing small compilers for DSLs for image processing operations. I have to admit though, in my shallow investigations into using fslex and fsyacc, they didn’t seem to be as debuggable with complex grammars as PLY, which I’m using with Python.
@Robert Smallshire
The ‘new article’ link gets a can’t preview drafts error.
Thanks,
Otto
@ottorommel
Thanks – it should be working now.